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		<title>By: Leighton Hubbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leighton Hubbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post. I find it interesting that the once obscure and small subset of graphic design (logo design) is now such a cool and trendy profession.

It used to be hard to explain to someone that being a logo designer was such a specific skill set and that you could be considered a specialist. Among your peers that was a noble and respected asset to your list of services and I&#039;ve had many fellow designers ask me to help out with the logo portion of their ID projects.

Now, it seems that with the surge of hobbyists and clip art users our once highly regarded profession is now just trivial. I&#039;m sure it will eventually change the way things are done, but at what cost?

Perhaps business owners will realize that just because you can, doesn&#039;t always mean you should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post. I find it interesting that the once obscure and small subset of graphic design (logo design) is now such a cool and trendy profession.</p>
<p>It used to be hard to explain to someone that being a logo designer was such a specific skill set and that you could be considered a specialist. Among your peers that was a noble and respected asset to your list of services and I&#8217;ve had many fellow designers ask me to help out with the logo portion of their ID projects.</p>
<p>Now, it seems that with the surge of hobbyists and clip art users our once highly regarded profession is now just trivial. I&#8217;m sure it will eventually change the way things are done, but at what cost?</p>
<p>Perhaps business owners will realize that just because you can, doesn&#8217;t always mean you should.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Wichman</title>
		<link>http://imjustcreative.com/thoughts-on-logo-design-perception-value/2009/05/20/#comment-19328</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Wichman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What hurts me is when someone gives me the ol&#039; &quot;I&#039;ll just get my little sister to design one for me. She&#039;s been taking art classes at her middle school.&quot;

What businesses don&#039;t get is that their investment in their own company, by paying for a well-designed logo, should reflect how much they expect other people to pay THEM for their product. 

ALSO, when they get their regurgitated crappy logo from lil&#039; sis, they&#039;ll soon realize that the logo they got isn&#039;t the BRANDING they need. 

sad day. 


@nickwichman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What hurts me is when someone gives me the ol&#8217; &#8220;I&#8217;ll just get my little sister to design one for me. She&#8217;s been taking art classes at her middle school.&#8221;</p>
<p>What businesses don&#8217;t get is that their investment in their own company, by paying for a well-designed logo, should reflect how much they expect other people to pay THEM for their product. </p>
<p>ALSO, when they get their regurgitated crappy logo from lil&#8217; sis, they&#8217;ll soon realize that the logo they got isn&#8217;t the BRANDING they need. </p>
<p>sad day. </p>
<p>@nickwichman</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Van Staalduinen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Van Staalduinen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a strategy-first guy who has commissioned dozens of logos over the years (and used to design them myself before I realized design isn&#039;t my forte) , I recently dipped my toes into the &quot;crowdsourcing&quot; waters when I needed a new logo for my own side project: the blog www.begtodiffer.com.

Working on a budget and not wanting to burn any bridges with my existing design suppliers, I felt frankly dirty and cheap stooping to a $375 contest-generated logo. And to be honest, most of the responses were pretty cheap-looking as well - with most designers missing the finer nuances of typography and balance. But I was pleasantly surprised by the creativity and depth of thinking that the various designers from Malaysia to Russia and back again applied, and I am perhaps 87.5% sold on the logo we eventually selected. Not perfect or gorund-breaking, but professional and versatile, and the winning  designer from the UK has a solid eye and good service ethic- so he&#039;s now on my list of suppliers for future client work.

I blogged early in the process here, and an interesting discussion started: http://www.begtodiffer.com/2009/06/your-word-of-the-day-crowdsourcing/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a strategy-first guy who has commissioned dozens of logos over the years (and used to design them myself before I realized design isn&#8217;t my forte) , I recently dipped my toes into the &#8220;crowdsourcing&#8221; waters when I needed a new logo for my own side project: the blog <a href="http://www.begtodiffer.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.begtodiffer.com</a>.</p>
<p>Working on a budget and not wanting to burn any bridges with my existing design suppliers, I felt frankly dirty and cheap stooping to a $375 contest-generated logo. And to be honest, most of the responses were pretty cheap-looking as well &#8211; with most designers missing the finer nuances of typography and balance. But I was pleasantly surprised by the creativity and depth of thinking that the various designers from Malaysia to Russia and back again applied, and I am perhaps 87.5% sold on the logo we eventually selected. Not perfect or gorund-breaking, but professional and versatile, and the winning  designer from the UK has a solid eye and good service ethic- so he&#8217;s now on my list of suppliers for future client work.</p>
<p>I blogged early in the process here, and an interesting discussion started: <a href="http://www.begtodiffer.com/2009/06/your-word-of-the-day-crowdsourcing/" rel="nofollow">http://www.begtodiffer.com/2009/06/your-word-of-the-day-crowdsourcing/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Graham Smith</title>
		<link>http://imjustcreative.com/thoughts-on-logo-design-perception-value/2009/05/20/#comment-18805</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I do know of these rapid logo shops that have supplied only PSD files without any options for vector, which is a little odd. But hey ho.

Originality is the clincher for a lot of &#039;better logos&#039;, but also the execution of them. I have seen &#039;young gun&#039; designers come up with great ideas, but failed to execute them for a number of reasons, usually typography, letter spacing etc. Which can really bring on the rain clouds and tarnish an otherwise good logo.

So originality, technical and practical skill/experience with the various aspects is a good mix.

lack of confidence can also show through in logo design, if you feel you have to over compensate with &#039;effects&#039; just to get noticed.

But in any case, there are a lot of individual ingredients that can be mixed and mashed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I do know of these rapid logo shops that have supplied only PSD files without any options for vector, which is a little odd. But hey ho.</p>
<p>Originality is the clincher for a lot of &#8216;better logos&#8217;, but also the execution of them. I have seen &#8216;young gun&#8217; designers come up with great ideas, but failed to execute them for a number of reasons, usually typography, letter spacing etc. Which can really bring on the rain clouds and tarnish an otherwise good logo.</p>
<p>So originality, technical and practical skill/experience with the various aspects is a good mix.</p>
<p>lack of confidence can also show through in logo design, if you feel you have to over compensate with &#8216;effects&#8217; just to get noticed.</p>
<p>But in any case, there are a lot of individual ingredients that can be mixed and mashed.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda Vlahakis</title>
		<link>http://imjustcreative.com/thoughts-on-logo-design-perception-value/2009/05/20/#comment-18799</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda Vlahakis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think even the $99 logos are generally in the correct file format for web and print.

I think the major difference between cheap rubbish and a decent identity is originality.

It takes some serious skill and experience to be original (and yet practical still for application) in a giant sea of logos.

Great blog :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think even the $99 logos are generally in the correct file format for web and print.</p>
<p>I think the major difference between cheap rubbish and a decent identity is originality.</p>
<p>It takes some serious skill and experience to be original (and yet practical still for application) in a giant sea of logos.</p>
<p>Great blog :)</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Smith</title>
		<link>http://imjustcreative.com/thoughts-on-logo-design-perception-value/2009/05/20/#comment-18466</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 14:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like you said about leaving it to others, I had the same experience with web design. I dabbled and realised that people were asking me to just knock a blog or site together. Was way more trouble for me as I was totally way over my head. So now I focus on what I do best.  
 
And yes, I walk away from work when it looks like I could be fighting a uphill battle. I just don&#039;t need it. I left my full time work to get away from all that crap, not to walk straight back into it.  
 
I am now the one in control. Woop. :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like you said about leaving it to others, I had the same experience with web design. I dabbled and realised that people were asking me to just knock a blog or site together. Was way more trouble for me as I was totally way over my head. So now I focus on what I do best.  </p>
<p>And yes, I walk away from work when it looks like I could be fighting a uphill battle. I just don&#039;t need it. I left my full time work to get away from all that crap, not to walk straight back into it.  </p>
<p>I am now the one in control. Woop. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 14:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the &#039;new rule&#039; : &quot;The value of a logo should be directly proportional to the value the business owner puts on his business.&quot; 
 
The only problem is, and the one we keep going back to is that a lot of the time the client will not understand about brand and identity values. To them, a logo is just a small graphic that should cost just a few pounds. Yet they don&#039;t see that &#039;this&#039; logo is their identity, how people will perceive them. It&#039;s a strange world. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the &#039;new rule&#039; : &quot;The value of a logo should be directly proportional to the value the business owner puts on his business.&quot; </p>
<p>The only problem is, and the one we keep going back to is that a lot of the time the client will not understand about brand and identity values. To them, a logo is just a small graphic that should cost just a few pounds. Yet they don&#039;t see that &#039;this&#039; logo is their identity, how people will perceive them. It&#039;s a strange world.</p>
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		<title>By: Chet Woodside</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chet Woodside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 13:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice write-up, I couldn&#039;t agree more. Can&#039;t count the amount of times I have talked with clients and they request a full blown web presence and &quot;can you throw in a logo to&quot;. It&#039;s really quite depressing, I personally leave logo work to people who focus on the art. It&#039;s also a nice gauge of the client though, if they can&#039;t take the time to care about what they feel is a &#039;small detail and easy to do&#039; then it&#039;s probably best to walk quickly the other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice write-up, I couldn&#8217;t agree more. Can&#8217;t count the amount of times I have talked with clients and they request a full blown web presence and &#8220;can you throw in a logo to&#8221;. It&#8217;s really quite depressing, I personally leave logo work to people who focus on the art. It&#8217;s also a nice gauge of the client though, if they can&#8217;t take the time to care about what they feel is a &#8217;small detail and easy to do&#8217; then it&#8217;s probably best to walk quickly the other way.</p>
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		<title>By: Rena Bernstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rena Bernstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and I fully agree.
There is a huge difference between the $99 online special and a professionally designed logomark. Some people still don&#039;t realize that ya get what ya pay for. That is until they try to enlarge, reduce, or reprint their $99 special and find that it&#039;s unreadable, unreproducible or appearing on lots of business cards. 
Logo design is a unique art that takes time to incorporate the concept and sentiment of the business it represents into a unique and easily recognizable mark. It&#039;s a portrait. 

New Rule: The value of a logo should be directly proportional to the value the business owner puts on his business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and I fully agree.<br />
There is a huge difference between the $99 online special and a professionally designed logomark. Some people still don&#8217;t realize that ya get what ya pay for. That is until they try to enlarge, reduce, or reprint their $99 special and find that it&#8217;s unreadable, unreproducible or appearing on lots of business cards.<br />
Logo design is a unique art that takes time to incorporate the concept and sentiment of the business it represents into a unique and easily recognizable mark. It&#8217;s a portrait. </p>
<p>New Rule: The value of a logo should be directly proportional to the value the business owner puts on his business.</p>
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