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I have been thinking a lot recently about the whole logo design and pricing dilemma. After reviewing a number of comments on some previous posts, I started replying. Soon I realsied that one reply was becoming more of a post. So rather than submit it as a comment, thought it would be better served as just a quick post.
It refers specifically to two previous posts: ‘I Need a Logo Designed for Free Please, thanks Buddy.‘ & Want a cheap logo? Go and get some clip art then.”
As a sidenote, I’ll come out and also say right here that I am aware I am not the best at replying to comments left on my blog. It’s something I am aware of and promise to make more of an effort to reply to those comments. So apologies to all who have left comments previously, and been a bit bummed out that I have not replied. I am also making the comment section ‘threaded’ so this will help keep the comments and replies in a readable order.
Thoughts based on that post and comments left.
The general problem here is that logo design specifically is, and continues to be seen as a quick and cheap skill. With so many people having access to the most basic of applications, anyone can supposedly create a ‘logo’. What defines a logo and/or brand identity is for another post. But loosely I am talking about the one off logos that people require to get their new business of the ground. Not a full blown identity package.
What we have here is the ‘catch 22′. Logo design is so bloody popular. It’s becoming too popular.
So many blogs and posts writting about it, you can’t escape logo design. On one hand this is great as it is so popular, we have to feed the addiction. The flip side is that this has the adverse affect of actually cheapening the perception, mostly by ‘the lay person’. With the number of logo ‘inspiration’ galleries on the rise, most of which with no real filter biased towards ‘the higher quality logo’ we are force fed a quality reality which is at best, warped.
There aren’t enough safeguards to filter the ‘clip art logo’ in many of these inspiration galleries.
The upshot of this is that many logo designs that get ‘featured’ are often conceptual. Which in turn gives a false sense of logo design quality as a whole. More importantly, a false reading of logo trends.
This is an act that sets a trend and trends are taken up pretty darn quick. It’s not bad, but it’s neither a realistic view of logos that the actual client may need and want in the commercial and practical real life environment. This then gives those seeking inspiration that slightly biased view of logo design and trends. It’s a another ‘catch 22′.
Logo design overload
With the condensing of logo design information overload, it’s hard to not imagine that it’s a skill that anyone can do. The more you see it, the more in your face it is, the more people who feel they can design a logo.
The reality is that logo design has become too commercialized and it is tainting the whole concept of quality brand and identity design as a whole. I personally don’t see it getting better, I think it will just continue to plummet in terms of the laymens perceptions of logo design.
Logo design has become the new DTP. It is falling victim to over and miss use.
Logo design is way cool
Logo design has a ‘coolness’ factor that everyone want’s to get on board with. That’s the issue right there. But the very cool nature of it is cheapening it as everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon.
If anyone can do it, the price must be cheap. Supply and demand. That old chestnut.
And thus we end up with the whole ‘I need a logo designed for free please’ or ‘I’ll do it myself with some new clip-art.’
The best we can do as designers is to keep a firm hand on how we relate to potential and new clients, the ‘very real’ value of experience when talking about logo and brand identity.
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Great post and I fully agree.
There is a huge difference between the $99 online special and a professionally designed logomark. Some people still don’t realize that ya get what ya pay for. That is until they try to enlarge, reduce, or reprint their $99 special and find that it’s unreadable, unreproducible or appearing on lots of business cards.
Logo design is a unique art that takes time to incorporate the concept and sentiment of the business it represents into a unique and easily recognizable mark. It’s a portrait.
New Rule: The value of a logo should be directly proportional to the value the business owner puts on his business.
Great post and I fully agree.
There is a huge difference between the $99 online special and a professionally designed logomark. Some people still don’t realize that ya get what ya pay for. That is until they try to enlarge, reduce, or reprint their $99 special and find that it’s unreadable, unreproducible or appearing on lots of business cards.
Logo design is a unique art that takes time to incorporate the concept and sentiment of the business it represents into a unique and easily recognizable mark. It’s a portrait.
New Rule: The value of a logo should be directly proportional to the value the business owner puts on his business.
I like the 'new rule' : "The value of a logo should be directly proportional to the value the business owner puts on his business."
The only problem is, and the one we keep going back to is that a lot of the time the client will not understand about brand and identity values. To them, a logo is just a small graphic that should cost just a few pounds. Yet they don't see that 'this' logo is their identity, how people will perceive them. It's a strange world.
Nice write-up, I couldn’t agree more. Can’t count the amount of times I have talked with clients and they request a full blown web presence and “can you throw in a logo to”. It’s really quite depressing, I personally leave logo work to people who focus on the art. It’s also a nice gauge of the client though, if they can’t take the time to care about what they feel is a ‘small detail and easy to do’ then it’s probably best to walk quickly the other way.
Like you said about leaving it to others, I had the same experience with web design. I dabbled and realised that people were asking me to just knock a blog or site together. Was way more trouble for me as I was totally way over my head. So now I focus on what I do best.
And yes, I walk away from work when it looks like I could be fighting a uphill battle. I just don't need it. I left my full time work to get away from all that crap, not to walk straight back into it.
I am now the one in control. Woop. :)
Nice write-up, I couldn’t agree more. Can’t count the amount of times I have talked with clients and they request a full blown web presence and “can you throw in a logo to”. It’s really quite depressing, I personally leave logo work to people who focus on the art. It’s also a nice gauge of the client though, if they can’t take the time to care about what they feel is a ‘small detail and easy to do’ then it’s probably best to walk quickly the other way.
Like you said about leaving it to others, I had the same experience with web design. I dabbled and realised that people were asking me to just knock a blog or site together. Was way more trouble for me as I was totally way over my head. So now I focus on what I do best.
And yes, I walk away from work when it looks like I could be fighting a uphill battle. I just don't need it. I left my full time work to get away from all that crap, not to walk straight back into it.
I am now the one in control. Woop. :)
I like the 'new rule' : "The value of a logo should be directly proportional to the value the business owner puts on his business."
The only problem is, and the one we keep going back to is that a lot of the time the client will not understand about brand and identity values. To them, a logo is just a small graphic that should cost just a few pounds. Yet they don't see that 'this' logo is their identity, how people will perceive them. It's a strange world.
I think even the $99 logos are generally in the correct file format for web and print.
I think the major difference between cheap rubbish and a decent identity is originality.
It takes some serious skill and experience to be original (and yet practical still for application) in a giant sea of logos.
Great blog :)
Although I do know of these rapid logo shops that have supplied only PSD files without any options for vector, which is a little odd. But hey ho.
Originality is the clincher for a lot of ‘better logos’, but also the execution of them. I have seen ‘young gun’ designers come up with great ideas, but failed to execute them for a number of reasons, usually typography, letter spacing etc. Which can really bring on the rain clouds and tarnish an otherwise good logo.
So originality, technical and practical skill/experience with the various aspects is a good mix.
lack of confidence can also show through in logo design, if you feel you have to over compensate with ‘effects’ just to get noticed.
But in any case, there are a lot of individual ingredients that can be mixed and mashed.
I think even the $99 logos are generally in the correct file format for web and print.
I think the major difference between cheap rubbish and a decent identity is originality.
It takes some serious skill and experience to be original (and yet practical still for application) in a giant sea of logos.
Great blog :)
Although I do know of these rapid logo shops that have supplied only PSD files without any options for vector, which is a little odd. But hey ho.
Originality is the clincher for a lot of ‘better logos’, but also the execution of them. I have seen ‘young gun’ designers come up with great ideas, but failed to execute them for a number of reasons, usually typography, letter spacing etc. Which can really bring on the rain clouds and tarnish an otherwise good logo.
So originality, technical and practical skill/experience with the various aspects is a good mix.
lack of confidence can also show through in logo design, if you feel you have to over compensate with ‘effects’ just to get noticed.
But in any case, there are a lot of individual ingredients that can be mixed and mashed.
As a strategy-first guy who has commissioned dozens of logos over the years (and used to design them myself before I realized design isn’t my forte) , I recently dipped my toes into the “crowdsourcing” waters when I needed a new logo for my own side project: the blog http://www.begtodiffer.com.
Working on a budget and not wanting to burn any bridges with my existing design suppliers, I felt frankly dirty and cheap stooping to a $375 contest-generated logo. And to be honest, most of the responses were pretty cheap-looking as well – with most designers missing the finer nuances of typography and balance. But I was pleasantly surprised by the creativity and depth of thinking that the various designers from Malaysia to Russia and back again applied, and I am perhaps 87.5% sold on the logo we eventually selected. Not perfect or gorund-breaking, but professional and versatile, and the winning designer from the UK has a solid eye and good service ethic- so he’s now on my list of suppliers for future client work.
I blogged early in the process here, and an interesting discussion started: http://www.begtodiffer.com/2009/06/your-word-of-the-day-crowdsourcing/
As a strategy-first guy who has commissioned dozens of logos over the years (and used to design them myself before I realized design isn’t my forte) , I recently dipped my toes into the “crowdsourcing” waters when I needed a new logo for my own side project: the blog http://www.begtodiffer.com.
Working on a budget and not wanting to burn any bridges with my existing design suppliers, I felt frankly dirty and cheap stooping to a $375 contest-generated logo. And to be honest, most of the responses were pretty cheap-looking as well – with most designers missing the finer nuances of typography and balance. But I was pleasantly surprised by the creativity and depth of thinking that the various designers from Malaysia to Russia and back again applied, and I am perhaps 87.5% sold on the logo we eventually selected. Not perfect or gorund-breaking, but professional and versatile, and the winning designer from the UK has a solid eye and good service ethic- so he’s now on my list of suppliers for future client work.
I blogged early in the process here, and an interesting discussion started: http://www.begtodiffer.com/2009/06/your-word-of-the-day-crowdsourcing/
What hurts me is when someone gives me the ol’ “I’ll just get my little sister to design one for me. She’s been taking art classes at her middle school.”
What businesses don’t get is that their investment in their own company, by paying for a well-designed logo, should reflect how much they expect other people to pay THEM for their product.
ALSO, when they get their regurgitated crappy logo from lil’ sis, they’ll soon realize that the logo they got isn’t the BRANDING they need.
sad day.
@nickwichman
What hurts me is when someone gives me the ol’ “I’ll just get my little sister to design one for me. She’s been taking art classes at her middle school.”
What businesses don’t get is that their investment in their own company, by paying for a well-designed logo, should reflect how much they expect other people to pay THEM for their product.
ALSO, when they get their regurgitated crappy logo from lil’ sis, they’ll soon realize that the logo they got isn’t the BRANDING they need.
sad day.
@nickwichman
Nice post. I find it interesting that the once obscure and small subset of graphic design (logo design) is now such a cool and trendy profession.
It used to be hard to explain to someone that being a logo designer was such a specific skill set and that you could be considered a specialist. Among your peers that was a noble and respected asset to your list of services and I’ve had many fellow designers ask me to help out with the logo portion of their ID projects.
Now, it seems that with the surge of hobbyists and clip art users our once highly regarded profession is now just trivial. I’m sure it will eventually change the way things are done, but at what cost?
Perhaps business owners will realize that just because you can, doesn’t always mean you should.
Nice post. I find it interesting that the once obscure and small subset of graphic design (logo design) is now such a cool and trendy profession.
It used to be hard to explain to someone that being a logo designer was such a specific skill set and that you could be considered a specialist. Among your peers that was a noble and respected asset to your list of services and I’ve had many fellow designers ask me to help out with the logo portion of their ID projects.
Now, it seems that with the surge of hobbyists and clip art users our once highly regarded profession is now just trivial. I’m sure it will eventually change the way things are done, but at what cost?
Perhaps business owners will realize that just because you can, doesn’t always mean you should.