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Had an interesting question emailed to me by a designer by the name of Vaughan on font licencing. It was asked…
“When creating a logo or design piece for a client, and you need a typeface which you don’t own, do you buy it and invoice the client or something else? If the former, do you then give them the typeface and remove it from your collection or is there an agreement that you can retain it’s use for other projects?“
The last bit in bold is particularly interesting and worth a quick mention. There are 4 possible scenarios I can think of where the legal custody of a font could be challenged if you are unsure about the legalities.
Font licensing is not the clearest of subject in some aspects. On one hand it seems very clear, but in practical day to day environments, there are a few shades of grey that can cause some doubt.
Scenario One
Designer has a collection of previously purchased fonts in their library. They use a certain font for a logo design of which the client agrees look cool and decides to proceed with this design.
The designer proceeds with the job and lives happily ever after, at least once they get paid.
In this case the designer can install this font on up to 5 CPU’s, this is the usual accepted amount of CPU’s but individual type foundries may be less or more flexible with this.
However, this does not mean that any 5 people can ‘borrow’ the font. It is restricted to any 5 computers owned by the purchaser. Not your mate, not your uncles brother or your designer friend who works for a stingy employer.
Scenario Two
The designer finds a new font that needs to be purchased in order to complete the project. The designer decides to pay for the font out of their own pocket. The client benefits from the new font but does not own it, the designer does.
The designer should only install this font on computers they directly own. They must not pass this font onto the client, as this will be breach of the font licence.
Scenario three
The more interesting scenario. Same as Scenario Two but the client pays for the font. This maybe because the project budget makes it unrealistic for the designer to foot the cost of a new font.
In this case, the client owns the font and can install the font on up 5 CPUs or more if they have purchased more licensing. Now the interesting bit. Technically, the designer should not install that font on their own computer, even to work on the project the font was initially purchased for. Which clearly creates a small problem. In theory, the designer should buy that font if they need to use it, if they do not, they are in breach of the licensing.
Not the most practical of situation. The best case is that after the client has purchased it, the designer gets a copy from the client, installs it and deletes it once the project is complete. If it’s not deleted then it could be in breach of the licensing, especially if that font is used in further projects. How you play that one is between you and the client.
In an ideal world, the client should buy both you and themselves a copy of the font. That makes it all super legit.
Scenario Four
Take Scenario One or Two and add the client needing to have a copy of the font on their own computers. In both cases, the designer should not simply give a copy of the font to the client, this will be a breach of the licence. Potentially getting both designer and client in sticky poo poo.
If the client really needs it, then they must purchase a copy for themselves.
Relevant to all the scenarios
If you buy a font that has standard 5 CPU licensing and work in a studio that has 8 computers you are in breach of the licencing if you install that font on all 8 computers. In this case you need to upgrade the font licensing to cover how ever many machines the font will be installed on, regardless of how many end up actually using it.
Each font foundry may also have limitations to how the font can be used, some restrict use in commercial applications. With any font purchase, ensure you read the licensing, so you are clear where you stand.
Even free fonts can have ‘use’ restrictions, typically ‘denying’ commercial use and application. They may allow the font to be used for a commercial design if permission is asked. If you download a cool new free font, make sure you at least give the font designer due credit or take on board the font licensing.
A grey area is the customisation of commercial fonts for say logo designs and brand identities. I have approached this on a job by job, and foundry by foundry basis, but it’s worth keeping in mind. If you customise a commercial font, does the licence still apply? Does it depend on how much you have customised it? At what point in the customisation does the commercial font no longer have any routes to its original designer and design? If you customise fonts, be it a little tweak or a massive change, it’s worth checking with the foundry.
If in doubt with font customisation and tweaking, design your own font. Then you have no imposed licence issues to be concerned about. :)
How you play any of this is between you and the client. I can’t condone any other action than ensuring you are adhering to the licence. In all cases, I would recommend that at the very least you inform the client of the risks of ignoring font licencing.
If I have overlooked any other scenarios please leave a comment below.
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Much appreciated advice and thoughts Graham :-)
Vaughan.
Interesting post with valuable information for designers. I would add that there are instances where the general font usage license fee doesn’t cover the use of the typeface in an identity. In our experience, when the turnover of a company exceeds a certain amount there may be further one-off fees which must be payed to the type foundry. We have been caught out on this before, by not reading small print fully, so it is worth keeping your eyes open for this when designing identities.
Great piece. This debate, on the printers side, as been going on heavy, ever since FlightCheck 1st collected DTP files (Used screen and printer fonts with placed or linked images.) back in the mid 90's.
Since then you see many layout apps themselves also allowing the packaging of fonts. The main point for the printers, the grey area, is that they generally can use most typefaces to output for their customer, but must delete those fonts immediately after use, if they do not license them. Of course PDF was meant to help cure this, but that has not really fully worked till now. The debate continues!
I remember the first ever version of FlightCheck to come out, then we used it extensively in the 20 strong pre press department of a commercial printers that I ran.
I think it's safe to say 'some people' don't delete the fonts after use. The theory is sound but the reality is far different.
Have you found problems with using fonts just in logo designs, not full identities? So where you have created a logo for a business, used a commercial font then subsequently been caught out?
Most fonts I have purchased so far for logo use have not specified any particular clauses, just the usual CPU licence issue, which would then be of consequence if said client had to use the font in the logo for internal branding purposes. But then they would just buy a licence themselves.
Have yet to personally see a new font I have purchased that clearly state limitations with actual commercial applications in identity design. Would be interested to see what font foundries practice this level of font licensing for brand identity applications.
We are currently discussing this specific issue with a font foundry so I can't really go into much detail on the specific job but in general terms their terms are that if the typeface is used in an identity (logo) then there is a one-off fee due on top of the general licensing fee.
This extra fee is only applicable when the client company turns over a certain amount of money pa.
Another related issue is the problem of wanting to show a font to a client, but you don't want to risk purchasing it at the start, in case they decide not to go with it. You are then limited in the ways that you can demonstrate the font in action.
Morning Graham, where would you stand if you modfied an existing free or commercial font beyond recognition in say, Illustrator and use it only for a design. In the past I have always got the client to pay for the font and they keep it. What would be useful is if you can keep these fonts on a seperate storage drive and if a job came up where you thought that font would be good then you can design with it so the customer can view and [then] purchase it. Does that work in the scenarios you mentioned ? It certainly is a license minefield !
This happens a lot for me, as I will generally collect a number of font examples from foundries that i do not own. In these cases I mock up the logo with the font in Photoshop. It at least gives the client a good idea, then if they like it, I will go ahead and purchase it.
This is easier for logo designs where the wording is limited, mocking up something more substantial is not practical. But that's just how it goes, it's hard for the foundries to make this work, they already loose out so much to copied fonts.
SOme foundries, like DaltonMaag have decent font testing areas, others like Parachute fonts make it mostly impossible to even mock-up an example of their font as they use these patterned reversed back grounds. But you just have to roll with it. :)
The other thing is that you find a possible new font and just give the client a link to the site. They will need to make a cool as to if the font looks good enough to buy, it's just a limitation that needs to be worked round.
But I agree, it's less than perfect, especially when you are a freelancer with limited up front expenses. Design can suffer if you can't afford to test out new fonts.
Its nice to know that there is no perfect answer to these issues and that other designers have similar problems.
Yes, this is very true. It is grey, grey, grey. This said, I know many prepress departments that run a very clean ship; some even automate this task (right after preflight a press pdf is output, they have scripts to delete the just used fonts.)
As you know, it is next to impossible for the printer to own a full license for each and every font that comes through their workflow in customer's print files.
Hmm, maybe font foundries could have a “pay for output” license, just for print-media providers…
Umm… Hi Graham. I have a question here regarding this topic.
How would a font foundry knows if that font had been purchased for use? i mean everyday would have hundred over thousand print jobs and brand identities pops out in the market – ads, signs, anythings that could be on a designer's job list. How they notice that if the font in use in say a particular logo design were belong to their foundry? This issue always have got me lost.
Your share are always full of information! Thanks!
Great advice. We get around all this by using common fonts or designing our own. It's too easy to get in trouble by downloading a font for a project. Sure, it takes a little more time, but it makes the end product more impressive to the client and keeps our hands clean.
–”designer” down the street keeps telling me how he has torrented 10,000+ fonts and loads of brand name software to run his business.
– I use him as a cautionary tale to my prospective clients.
Needless to say he would benefit from a read of your entire blog Graham. Wicked post. It clarified a couple of small things for me too.
Cheers.
Ian.
nice article
nice article. thanks for posting it here